Overcoming Fear, Taking Action & Self Confidence with Amy | Mar 14, 2024 001

Tucker (00:00)
Right, hey everybody. Welcome to Ranch Ramblin', the Cowboy Gals podcast. I'm your host, Tucker. I'm the cowboy gal behind the podcast. And I am super excited that you are all here hanging out with us today. And I'm even more excited to welcome back Amy Jacobs. I almost said Mason. Ha ha ha. Amy's back with us again. Told you guys we'd be hearing from her quite often just because I love, if, I love.

amy (00:19)
Hehehehe

Tucker (00:27)
For one, her chosen niche of work in this industry is just so flippin' cool. But also, you know, Amy and I work really well together and we end up talking about a lot of the things that I want to bring up on this podcast because I just, I feel that she has such awesome insight and a unique set of experiences that need to be shared. So here she is again, she's awesome.

It just kind of rolls with whatever I throw at her. So thank you, Amy, for being here. I'm really excited.

amy (00:56)
Thanks, I'm super excited. I always love chatting with Tucker.

Tucker (01:00)
You guys, this is if you don't know, Amy married my brother. So Amy's my sister-in-law. And we always, I just, I always wanted a sister. And if I can handpick her myself, I couldn't have picked anybody better than Amy. So I'm really thankful to have her as my best friend. And then also, my very favorite thing about Amy is she just...

amy (01:16)
You can make blood.

Tucker (01:26)
shoots it straight. Like if I am like, hey, was this dumb? She's like, hmm, maybe a little bit or no. Like, why would you think that's dumb? Like she will be flat out honest all the time. And I just I love that. And so I'm excited to talk about this today because with the different things we have going on, Amy and I will send each other random like brainstorms that we get.

And this was one of those, I started as one of those and I was just like, Hey, I sent this text. I'm like an idea for a podcast. Do you want to do it? And she's like, yes. And that was, that's been several weeks ago. So it's finally happening. And what I just want to share a little bit of kind of what triggered this thought for me. And if you've been around here for very long, you know, we're both into personal development, helping others, you know, really become.

what we're intended to be and kind of step out and live big. And there was a particular situation in my life that kind of hit me in the face. And I was like, wow, like even myself three years ago would have handled this differently. And it was really cool because I realized I was actually super excited about this person.

accomplishing what they had done and doing what they were doing and being where they were in their lives. And I see it around all the time, there's a lot of competition and jealousy and bitterness where there doesn't need to be. Because there's enough for all of us out here. So that's kind of what triggered that you guys can have a little bit of an idea of where this conversation is stemming from, and hopefully relate to it on some level.

Our goal, you know, my goal in with this podcast and the big things I have planned for it is to, you know, connect people together, inspire other people and, and help, you know, other women, moms, rodeo moms, or even, you know, young girls aspiring to start something with their lives. And provide this place of connection and support and inspiration. And if, if I want to put myself in this position of

being a potential inspiration to somebody, then I've got to be truly happy when they're inspired, right? And so I brought this up to Amy and she was like, "'Yeah, dude, like let's do this.'" So I would love, Amy, just to hear, I don't care what direction you go with this, I just wanna hear your thoughts with, just kind of right off the bat right here.

amy (03:39)
Yeah, like right off the bat, just kind of hearing you talk about that kind of just brings my mind to a place of thinking about how and I can't remember, we just if you just barely said this or if he said this before we started recording. But you had mentioned earlier, like the difference between competition and what's the other word I'm looking for, like working with each other.

Tucker (04:03)
Oh yeah, the collaboration.

amy (04:05)
Collaboration, yes. The difference between competition and collaboration. I love that so much, and collaboration doesn't necessarily have to mean you're working hand in hand, and now you guys have this program or friendship together. It doesn't necessarily have to mean that, but it can just mean cheering them on and being happy for them. Again, what comes to my mind after hearing you talk about that is how much a competitive...

mindset will actually feel like you're resisting what they have. And so like, let's just put it into rodeo terms. Let's say you're super competitive and maybe you're always going head to head with a particular person and it brings kind of some negative emotions. I think the more competitive or the more negatively you feel towards them,

and whatever success that they might have, the more you're actually kind of pushing that success that you want away. I'm trying to remember, there's a coach that I kind of got to know through a different program, and she said something along the lines of like, when you see other people out there doing what you wanna do, getting what you want, and all that kind of stuff, she's like, don't be jealous, and don't be mad that you're not getting that. She's like,

cheer them on, like let the universe or whatever know that that's what you want because the more negative feelings you have attached to the outcome through jealousy or competitiveness, the more that your body, mind, whatever you want to say is going to start kind of resisting that thing. And so that's what initially comes to my mind is just like especially like the rodeo

I just think it's so important to remember not to be competitive, but instead, like when you do see others getting what you want, remember to be happy for them and be excited and kind of show yourself, show your mind that that's the goal, right? Because again, if we start attaching all these negative emotions to the outcome you want,

then your mind's going to start working against that, right? Our minds don't want to work against what we want, but if that's the information we give it, then that's what it's going to do.

Tucker (06:24)
Yeah, yeah, and you know, okay, a little bit of maybe clarification for somebody that's not familiar with this concept we're talking about this philosophy of the, you know, competitive versus creative, I think this is a, is it Wallace Waddles in? Is it a Wallace Waddles philosophy?

amy (06:44)
I think it's the science of getting rich, right? Yeah.

Tucker (06:47)
I think so. I think so. Yeah. Which is that's Wallace Waddles, you guys. That's a book that we study in our book club. And this concept is super cool. And it might sound counterintuitive talking about rodeo not being competitive, because that's the point. And we're not saying that it's not a competition, but it's not a competition in the fact of

amy (06:51)
Mm-hmm.

Tucker (07:14)
Oh, I won, I'm better than everyone else. You did perform better if you won, but it's not in like a condescending, negative way. And it's where you take this competition that you're putting yourself in. And yes, the goal is to win, but you're competing against yourself in your own mind and you're working with you and your horse and your mindset and your capabilities and your skill set.

And it's a game with yourself. And that's this whole concept is in life. When you're on the creative plane, you allow like what Amy was saying, you allow your mind to be like, hey, I want more of this. You're in this creative mode. When you fall into the competitive mode, you shut down anything coming to you or any positive going from you because that's just, that's the way our minds work. They don't, our mind doesn't know.

the difference between truth and untruth necessarily. It just believes what we tell it. So Amy, you probably have some cool insight on that, Amy, if you want to.

amy (08:14)
Yeah.

Oh yeah, totally. I wanted to add to what you just said. I love that you said that and it kind of brought a thought to my head of like, when you show up to rodeo, you're not competing against your competitors, you're competing with your competitors. And it's so important to remember that and you're competing with yourself and with other competitors there. And so it's so important that we remember like it's a race against the clock. It's not a race against anyone else there.

and it's a race in your journey almost. And I might go off on a little bit of a rant here, but I think it's so important too, as we kind of talk about this mindset stuff to remember about like when you do show up to that rodeo, like you're setting yourself up to become a competitor who can do really, really well when it comes down to your big dream. So let's just say your big dream is to eventually make it to the NFR.

So I want you guys to treat every single rodeo or even practice that you go to as a stepping stone to get you to the NFR and not just, oh, you know, we showed up to this $5 jackpot down the road and I'm all upset because Joe Schmo made a faster run than me. That's not aligning with someone who's going to make it to the NFR. And it's okay if you felt that way thus far. That's all you've known.

But I think it's so important we remember, like, if you want that goal, if you want that big dream, it's time to start aligning. So anyways, end of rant.

Tucker (09:48)
Yeah.

Yeah. No, I'm glad that you brought that up because if you, NFR is a great example. If you want to look at those top cowboys and cowgirls that make it there.

They all have their own. A lot of them have a social media channel. Fallon Taylor's got a podcast. Tyson Durfee has a podcast along with their classes. They all give back in some way. And they all have a different take because we're all different and you find what works for you. But bottom line is, I would be willing to bet that most of them would agree.

with what we're saying, you don't get anywhere by placing yourself on a pedestal or feeling like you're less than somebody else. That does not invite the winning. That's not what a winner does. And the true winners that are actually walking the walk and doing the deal, they're out there looking for ways to help and encourage and motivate people and even in the same industry. And you won't find any of those guys being like...

oh yeah well you know making fun of somebody because they're just starting out and they can't ride their horse and rope at the same time yet or you know like whatever the deal is they're gonna be like hey next time try this or you know it's always that positivity and growth rather than that yucky kind of competitive bleh that can happen and

amy (11:17)
Yeah.

Tucker (11:18)
And I wanted to bring up too real quick that I think if you, anybody listening, I, I bet that, and if you fall into this category, that's totally fine. But I think, um, most of us could look around our lives, just, you know, think of the people that we know and that we're around that, um, might feel a little. I don't remember the phrase you used a minute ago, Amy, but you were talking about, um,

you know, your brain begins to fight your desired outcome because you feel the jealousy towards someone or you feel those less than positive feelings. And so I think we could all probably think of a handful of people that we know personally that won't do the thing they want to do because somebody else is already good at it. And when you put it out in plain words like that, that's

absolutely ridiculous because we all start out somewhere and it doesn't matter if you're starting when you're five years old or 50 or 90. If you want to do something we all have to start beginners and just because Amy is a kick-ass goat tire doesn't mean that I can't learn you know like you guys little history I go tight in high school dismounts are my Achilles heel.

And we've been talking about entering this rodeo in the next couple months. And I'm like, and Amy, you have got you've got to get down here and like coach on me, because. That was my that was my like total hang up on the ground. I could hang with the toughest of them. Getting off my freaking horse was a joke, you guys. So anyways, it's never too late to start. It's never too late to look for the mentor or the coach or hire the person.

amy (12:44)
Thank you.

Tucker (13:00)
And don't let the fact that somebody's good or better at it than you, or that you perceive it that way, get in your way of doing what you want to do.

amy (13:08)
Well, and imagine too, like how much you're shorting your potential when you are doing that. When you're jealous of someone or when you're maybe intimidated by how much someone else knows you're too intimidated to ask for help, you are shorting your potential so, so much because you're just not willing to maybe let your guard down or your ego down, whatever you want to call it, enough to

go out and actually start doing the things that you want to do. And what, what a really sometimes really miserable way to live when you're not, you know, maybe you're not being quite as nice to other people, you're constantly judging, comparing, comparison is the thief of joy everyone says and it's so true. Like how miserable would it be to live in constant jealousy of like, oh well, so and so bought, so and so's dad bought themselves

bought them a super nice horse, it doesn't matter. Be happy for them that they're doing well and you keep trying your best. This is your journey. And if again, going back to if you remember the big picture, if you remember your dream and why you're doing this, then you can also remember that this rodeo that you're at right now is just a stepping stone for you to get there. So what does it matter that?

Tucker (14:09)
Yes.

Yes.

amy (14:31)
this other girl maybe has a really, really nice horse or whatever it is. And so I think that's so important.

Tucker (14:35)
Right. And I think that... Yes. I think what you just brought up is a really important narrative to address, because that does happen, I mean, especially in the junior high and high school rodeo world. Sadly enough, there is a lot of that yucky talk that happens, and...

I understand, you know, I'm not saying that we're not, that people aren't allowed to feel those things. But we can't allow them to take over, you know, our positivity and change our, what we have going on, just because of something like that. And honestly, if the shoe is on the other foot...

And I could afford, uh, however much money horse to run barrels on. Maybe I had to run barrels. I don't know, but you know, and, and to be completely honest, like that, you, cause you hear that one a lot. Oh, her dad just bought her a, you know, when I was in high school, like the scary high priced horses were like 50,000 and it's like, oh yeah, they just dropped 50,000 on that horse and it's like.

Yeah, but if you had 50,000 to drop on a horse, wouldn't you do it too? And I know I would like that. I mean, that's my goal. So like, why, you know, why does it, why do we have to allow it to become such an, a negative thing that ends up actually changing a lot of really positive things and maybe ruining relationships because of a, a jealous perspective, just, you know, that you can take that.

amy (15:42)
Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah. And again.

Tucker (16:06)
and make it something better. Go ahead, sorry.

amy (16:08)
Yeah, sorry. And again, I think the more you start associating their success with the negative feelings inside of you, the more it's going, the harder it's going to be for you to start achieving that kind of success because now you've just told your mind that, oh, you know, making it to all those pro rodeos and winning a bunch of money, like that's really bad because so and so did it and I'm super jealous that she has a super nice horse and...

it's going to make things so much harder for you. And so I think it's just so important to remember, like, I'm not saying you have to befriend your enemies, but I am saying that, you know, if someone is out there doing something you want to do, it's so important to at least just cheer them on. You don't have to be vocal about it, but be excited for them. Like shift your perspective and be like, wow, that's really awesome that, you know, so-and-so's out running barrels at...

all these pro rodeos and actually doing really well like let that be a good a good Feeling in your mind like let yourself feel like that's a positive thing rather than being like oh well it was this person and you know I Hate her whatever it is because then our brains like okay that success is bad. We don't like that feeling We don't like feeling that way. So let's try to keep ourselves from

Tucker (17:23)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Right.

amy (17:34)
doing that and we don't realize it. It's mostly subconscious.

Tucker (17:38)
Right. And that's what's so cool is like a small conscious effort can actually negate a lot of the weird subconscious stuff that we don't even realize is happening like that. And I just I think that this all this all really it works really well together for my point with what I'm I was you know kind of started this whole deal. It's like look if you.

Because everybody out there, says they want to, you know, change the world. They want to do, you know, all these things. I want to be an inspiration. I want to do this. I want to do that. And when it comes down to it and, you know, you've been mentoring this person, even on a smaller scale, like, you know, somebody joined a business or they're on your same crew, like working together.

the goal is to have like the best crew in the company, right? And, you know, have a flawless experience and all of these things. And then all of a sudden your coworker is just as well liked as you. And instead of being like bummed out and jealous that like, Oh, are they more popular than me? Are they, you know, Oh, well, how come they're getting all the attention? Why are they getting this and this and this? And you slip into that negative trap.

when you can use that and you can truly be like, oh my gosh, you've worked so hard for this. Like I watched you from the beginning, get to where you are, like good job, you know? And like Amy said, when we can tell our minds that, and this is not to say that you just get to make up your mind that you're gonna be happy for people and it's just easy peasy after that. This is something you have to work for if you truly want this kind of growth in your life. But if you...

Put yourself in a place to mentor or inspire or coach or whatever it is, even if you're, like I say, you're just training somebody on the same job as you, you've got to be okay with the success of somebody else or it's going to make you miserable. And that completely defeats all the work that you've put in when you let that negativity win.

amy (19:46)
And I would I would go as far as to say like even if there is someone who you know Is having a lot of success with something and it's not necessarily something that you care to ever be involved with or do if you're still feeling like a Negative emotion towards that again. It's just a miserable way to live and even though you aren't necessarily Ever wanting to do that thing that they did. It's still holding you from

doing the things that you want to do because again you're just associating you know success of any kind and any different category with oh well you know I don't want to be that girl that girl that I hate who gets all that success like I don't want to be like her and it keeps you from again filling your full potential I believe.

Tucker (20:35)
Yeah, yeah, I agree for sure. And, and again, it's just not a fun, it's not enjoyable to go about life like that. And what's really cool too is, you know, something I personally experienced is. Fine. Okay. Another backstory, everybody that's listening. Um, I am part of a really, really cool business. Um, Amy actually is as well.

amy (20:42)
No.

Tucker (20:59)
And when I started this thing, I was really like, is this the investment for me? Like, is this a thing? And I hung out with Amy on some of the meetings and different things that we were doing at the time. And I was like, all right, I think I can get behind this. Because a lot of the conversation was things that I was trying to implement in my life anyways. And I'm like.

wow, we get to hang out with these people that want to talk about, just like what we're talking about today. We want to talk about stuff like this and they're actually like wanting to share their stories and you know, you learn and grow and do all these things. And so I thought, you know what? I'm going to give this a try. So I jumped in and our motto is to become the world leader in helping people help themselves. And I thought, oh yeah, that's cool. And...

you know, whatever, that's a great thing to get behind, you know. And as time has went on and I have truly seen the heart of what it is that is going on with what we have a piece of my love for people has grown. And if you would have spoken to me three, four or five years ago, I don't like, I don't, I don't hate people like, you know, I don't want harm to come to people.

Um, but I did not want to be in a position where I was like coaching somebody or, you know, being in these, like, I didn't want to work with people like that. And now I'm doing a freaking podcast for Pete's sakes because I'm like, wow, if I can share people's stories, how can I help someone else be brave enough to step into who they're supposed to be? And as we've pursued this.

and grown and worked on ourselves and all this that a passion for that kind of really I didn't realize I had that and it's just grown and started you know just kept growing and that's just been like a really interesting um I don't know happening yes an insight that I had personally through the things I was choosing to do

amy (23:01)
insight.

Tucker (23:08)
And as that motto, I talk to people about this thing all the time and I share the motto and I'm like, no, this is because this is what I want. Like I actually every value of what we're doing here is one of my like personal core values. And I think it's the coolest thing when we can put ourselves out there, share our story, share what's going on, and then help others find theirs.

and step into theirs and grow and just continue exploding like this. And it's the funnest thing to be at a place finally. And I can say this because I've been on the jealousy end. And that's not fun. I've been there. I don't ever want to go back because it is so much cooler to be like, holy crap, look how far you've come. I am so excited for you and genuinely mean it. And...

That was a really long, like, sorry, side tangent, but I guess I needed to say that, I don't know. But it's so cool when you purposely choose to make those decisions and then you see it unfold kind of in hindsight. And it's like, wow, look at this and look how awesome this is. And I can help other people do the same.

amy (24:19)
Yeah. And I think too, it's always good to remember like when you're building other people up, you're also silently building yourself up. And I think that's something we forget, like building other people up doesn't take from you, it adds to you and you end up feeling better and when you feel better you do better and when you do better those around you benefit from it and you even benefit from it too. And so I think that's always so important.

Tucker (24:46)
Yeah. Yeah, I love that. And I love that you brought that up about.

You know, you start helping other people and looking for ways to serve. And you're actually getting the benefit of that too. It's not just a, it's yeah, it doesn't, nothing ever just affects. It's not, nothing is ever an isolated event. Everything works together all the time. And

amy (25:00)
Yeah. Yeah, totally agree.

Yeah, and I think sometimes when it does become an isolated event, or at least when it starts to feel like an isolated event, I think a lot of times that's where we start to feel really, really lonely because us as humans, we're meant to be a part of a community, whether it's a big community or a small community. I would dare say my community is fairly, my circle is fairly small and I'm really comfortable with it.

I love it, but I think if I were to be trying to, you know, accomplish things or even just go throughout life with no circle at all, like that isolation is so lonely. And I think that's where a lot of the negative feelings start to come in. A lot of the competitiveness starts to come in and you start really pushing away those things that you deep down inside really want. But being so isolated and so lonely and so alone.

sometimes hard to even imagine being able to have something like that. No, no, you go ahead.

Tucker (26:17)
Yeah. So, oh, go ahead.

Um, I was just gonna, I was just gonna say from your, um, your coaching perspective, what advice maybe do you have to somebody who might be listening that is feeling maybe a little bit of that isolation and dealing with some of these less than desirable, you know, emotions and reactions to, um, you know, to success or circumstances or

you know, whatever that is. What would like the first couple steps look like as far as getting yourself out of that and into, you know, that positive forward motion?

amy (26:57)
Yeah, absolutely. So I would honestly say like one of the first steps is to just figure out what it is you want. So if you're kind of in that isolated state, I would guess maybe that you're probably not getting very much satisfaction or maybe you are but I'm just assuming maybe satisfaction out of

your journey that you wish you'd be getting in. And I think it all boils down to the fear, whether it's just fear of being judged, fear of maybe being rejected by others, just kind of fear like that. And my advice would be to figure out what it is you want, find a community that's doing that or communities that do that and stop avoiding it. Like just start taking, you can start just taking the smallest steps.

of like, you know, find that community, go follow them on Facebook. Go follow a couple friends that do that on Facebook. Start texting the one friend that you have that does stuff like that or reach out to someone on Instagram that you've been following for a while and just start slowly getting into what it is you want and I think you'll find that once you stop avoiding it, the fear really...

starts to slow down. I think that's the biggest thing or at least it's been just personal experience for me of like when I am avoiding things or I'm in this kind of state of isolation, I'm usually in a place of fear of being judged or stuff like that. So I think the more you can just stop avoiding it and just start doing that one percent of like I'm just...

going to do 1% today or 1% this week of getting closer to being in that better place that I want to be in, I think is a huge thing. And again, just to reiterate, this is something I talk to my clients about all the time is what slows you down? Fear. Fear slows you down. And what grows your fear? Avoiding it. So the more we can understand that, I think it's easier for us to take action.

Tucker (29:07)
Yeah, and you know, we actually talked about this in one of our mentor calls a couple weeks back, but there's that fear cycle, right? The avoidance, the fear, the fear grows, you avoid more, the fear grows bigger, and it just continues going. And this is how you see these people that honestly have a ton of potential, and maybe this is you. And if it is, I hope that something that we're seeing gives you a little bit of hope.

you know, and maybe a little bit of that desire for some small amount of courage to go step out of your comfort zone, you know, join the community, join whatever, text a friend. But, you know, you see these people that end up wasting their whole lives doing, avoiding the thing they love and would actually be very good at because there was a simple, small fear or jealousy or some kind of thing that started this avoidance cycle. And

So in this mentor group, we were talking about fear and taking action, and when you start taking action, the fear diminishes, and your faith and belief in what it is that you're doing, or in yourself, because they actually go hand in hand, that's gonna grow, and the more action you take, the less fear you have, the easier it is to take the action, and it's the exact opposite of that avoidance cycle. And so once you're able to...

Whatever it is, like Amy said, you don't have to go whole hog. Start small. And if you're, you know, if you're worried about getting back in. OK, go time. Let's use the go time example because I'm going to be flat out honest with you guys. I am not looking forward to dismounting off a running freaking horse. Last time I go tied, I was in or I was in no, I was in Castledale. No, I was in price.

Was in Price, you know, I was in Castledale, Castledale Arena. It was on my Bay horse, Charlie. And I was pissed off because. My dad knows that if he makes me mad, I tied better. So he said something that set me off. So I am like, I am doing this deal, right? I was going all in and. I had that little horse opened up and I swing my leg off and he freaking cuts in half.

big deal. I borderline hung up for a second, broke my ankle, and that was the very last goat tying run I ever made because it was the spring of my senior year. Then I graduated. I had a broken ankle and I went to college and before just before I started my college semester, I tore my meniscus. So there was a lot of things that kept me from tying again and then life happens and when I

like after college there wasn't a lot of goat tying opportunities and now there's a lot of jackpots you know starting to happen and different things like that where we actually you know people in our situations have the chance to get back into this so goat tying you guys I'm a little hesitant to start doing this deal again but Amy what is it that you always say Amy I can't so I must or I yeah so that fear you guys I'm going on like 10 years.

amy (32:08)
If I can't, I must. Yep.

Tucker (32:13)
11 years since I have tied a goat. And Amy's got me all pumped up to enter this freaking rodeo in a little bit. So, um, that's a really good example of that, that fear. And the longer you avoid it, the scarier it gets. And the minute you make the decision to start taking action in a positive way, that fear goes down. So this whole thing started out as a joke.

And I was like, yeah, there's no way I'm goat tying. Like just end of story. And then my dad's like, yeah, but I think you should. And then Amy's like, yeah, why wouldn't you? And then I'm like, and Amy, I would rather get on the freaking ranch Bronx there than tie another freaking goat. That is how, this is how the emotions have escalated over the years. And so I'm gonna goat tie in this thing, but.

It's been little baby steps. I've decided that I'm going to order a goat string. Okay, I got to get my goat string. So little tiny like this is a really funny example I'm giving you guys, but in my feelings inside my guts, I am nervous as hell. So I hope this is relatable and also a little humorous for you guys. But it's these teeny tiny things. I am not entering a rodeo tomorrow, but I am going to get on NRS and find what string I want to order.

Okay, little tiny positive steps. Ha ha ha.

amy (33:31)
It's so important though, and it's funny and we can laugh in your situation because it's been kind of fun to discuss the idea of doing it anyways. But I think it's so important to just embrace that motto of like, if I can't, I must. I think realizing how powerful that statement is because through the things that you feel like you quote unquote can't do, I'm doing air quotes, through doing those things.

um is where the growth happens. The growth doesn't happen from sitting back and being like I don't want to take out I'm not going to take out like that's horrifying let's just not do that. That's not where the growth happens. The growth happens when you do the thing or you at least prepare for the thing that you feel like you can't do and I want to let you on in on a little

The freaking fastest way that you could build your confidence, it doesn't matter if Tucker goes out and completely bombs her gun, guess what? Like she was able to go out and work her little booty off and had the courage to enter the rodeo. Like, I don't think, I think people kind of discount how much confidence you build in the process of doing the thing that you feel like you can't do and following through with that. Um.

I think a lot of people think like, oh, but if I entered the rodeo and I end up doing bad and that's going to be embarrassing and blah blah. No. Your confidence will come through getting to a place that you can prepare for something and you show up and you do the thing. It doesn't matter the outcome. At least we can at least put that outcome down, set it down. And remember like I, six months ago...

didn't even believe that I could safely dismount off of my horse, you know what I mean? And getting to a trifer you can successfully do that and have the courage enough to not only enter the rodeo but show up for the rodeo. Like I just want to make sure that everyone realizes how important it is that is where your confidence builds. And it goes with everything. So

you know, even if someone was wanting to maybe get back into roping or whatever it is, following through with just going out and roping the dummy every day? Confidence boost. Following through with telling yourself like, okay, I'm going to go rope live calves at this practice and it's going to be scary because, you know, I haven't roped in five years or whatever it is, following through and actually going to that? Guys, your confidence will skyrocket when you start...

following through with the things you think you cannot do.

Tucker (36:13)
Yes, and I'm so glad that you brought that up too, because I think this comes up in various topics throughout the podcast, because I think it's so important. But what you just said kind of goes hand in hand with this concept of make, like do, I heard it put a really cool way a couple weeks ago.

And they were talking about operating at the top of your license. And this was at, um, uh, the job I'm working part time. It was at, um, that orientation. And so this was the company's, uh, general manager. And he said that he was speaking with his uncle who's a brain surgeon. And he was sharing basically this concept we're talking about is making the most of who you are and where you're at right now, even if it's not ideal.

even if it's not, you know, whatever it is. This was this same deal, but he was saying he's a brain surgeon. So can he go remove appendix? Oh yeah, sure. He could do it with his eyes closed. But why would he take away from his specialty? People need him to do the brain surgery. He went to school and invested time and money and his, you know, his knowledge and skillset and...

his desires, you know, into being this brain surgeon. So, why would he take the time to remove appendix? When the med students need the experience, they're very capable of safely removing the appendix, and they in no way could perform a brain surgery that might save someone's life. So, he operates at the top of his license by performing these very intricate brain surgeries. And...

The med student is performing at the top of their license by learning the appendix removal, you know? And so they brought this into, this was a company-wide thing. So we had like the, you know, the horse ride department, which is where I am. We had the kitchen staff, the restaurant staff, hotel, employee housing, like all HR, we had all the things there and this applied to every flippin' one of us.

And I thought this is a cool, a really cool way to say what we've been talking about is by operating at the top of your license, you do the very best you can with where you are and what you have to work with. And then you can level up, but you can't expect to level up. You cannot expect to become a brain surgeon unless you can take an appendix out with your eyes closed. And then when you can do that, you can do something a little more complex. You can do a little.

You know, and I think the same thing applies, you know, if you're listening to this, you're probably in the horse world and it's really easy to apply stuff to like, say, shoe and a horse, you know, you can't expect to put, you know, sliders and trailers and doing these special, you know, spikes and clips and whatever the heck else anybody across the country wants to do to their horse. But you can't expect to do that unless you understand the basic.

amy (39:17)
Thanks for watching!

Tucker (39:18)
you know, hoof anatomy. And you gotta start. And so once you're capable of cleaning out the foot, then you can maybe learn what it is to, you know, identify where that needs to be trimmed and rasped. And then once you can properly level the foot, then you can put the shoe on. Once you learn how to properly place the nails in the shoe and shape the, you know, and it's just progressive, but you cannot operate at the top of your license.

or progress, you know, unless you actually are there doing the best you can with what you have. And I think that just goes hand in hand with what Amy was saying about just do the thing. You don't have to go out and win the rodeo. But what you do need to do is you committed to yourself that you want to improve your breakaway roping. Okay, so let's buy a breakaway rope. Let's, you know, if you got to watch YouTube, if you need to call somebody, if you need to send videos to your

friend or to whoever be like, Hey, what am I doing? And get out there and rope the dummy. Like you can't expect the growth unless you're putting in the effort where you are.

amy (40:26)
Yes. Yes, I love everything you just said. I wish I could give you like, but in booms like the drum thing. Because oh my god, it's so important. I love that so much. Like you are not ready, ready to operate on someone's brain until you can freaking take out their appendix like, and I it's so important to remember that. And I think a lot of us put the pressure on ourselves of like, Oh, but if I start this, I'm gonna have to

Tucker (40:27)
Ehh

amy (40:53)
do brain surgery, no you're not. Guess what? You're gonna learn, you're gonna go through the courses, you're gonna learn how to take that dang appendix out, and then eventually you're gonna get there and you're gonna be confident in doing it. Like you're not just going to step in to nursing school or whatever school it is and go straight to operating on people's brains. But we make it this big scary scenario in our head before we even start.

Tucker (41:06)
Yes.

amy (41:20)
When in reality, like, no, that's not how it works, you know? And so I love that so much, what you just said.

Tucker (41:24)
Right, right.

Yeah, and I think that that's, I don't know, I think that's important to remember with a lot of things, especially if you're wanting to grow or change or, you know, make a shift of with whatever it is. You do not have to do the whole thing at once. And I think the reason I feel the need to stress this is because I have people very close to me in my life or have had throughout my life that feel like this is an it's an all or nothing thing.

And it's like, well, I mean, in a sense, the decision has to be all or nothing. You have to decide, but you don't have to physically do the thing all at once right away, right now, tomorrow. It's buildable and everything should be buildable. And that's what makes it so cool is because you don't have to, I don't have to go, you know, pull a check at the go tie and.

But to be completely honest with you, if I can make a clean run in my practice arena, that would feel freaking fantastic for me.

Like that would do so much for my confidence that I would want to enter the rodeo. But.

amy (42:29)
Yes.

Tucker (42:31)
But by saying, putting, putting those unrealistic expectations on myself that I have not tied a goat in 11 years. I am almost 30 years old. I honestly, I don't have a horse I could go tie on right now. I think everything would probably buck me off again, but I don't know. I don't know. Maybe not, but I'm going to have to borrow. I'm going to have to borrow and Amy's good old reliable. Okay. And

But that's what I need to do to get there, right? That's the steps you've got to take to get there. And if I was putting all this pressure and expectations on myself, that I am going to go pull a check at this rodeo where I don't even know where it is. Anyways, wherever this rodeo is that we're going to, you know, that would feel very overwhelming. And it would take all of any type of enjoyment completely right out of that. But as it is,

When I get my goat string in the mail, it's actually going to be kind of cool.

I think her phone died. So while she's getting that all figured out, you guys, it's teeny tiny steps that matter the most. And it doesn't matter how small they are. What matters is that you're taking them. And I just think that is such a good perspective to keep. And I just know that this tiny example is just, it's kind of silly. But.

I hope that you guys have gotten a little bit of enjoyment out of it and can relate with whatever it is that you're wanting to do and that you're wanting to work on. And I just, I really love that quote that Aunt Amy says, if I can't, I must, because if you're feeling like that you can't do it, there's a fear somewhere. You know, there's something holding you up.

And so if you take the steps necessary to make it happen, then you can do it. And it won't be intimidating, you know, it'll take that, it'll build your confidence, it, you know, your self-confidence, your assurance, all the things. So anyways, that was kind of a little bit of a ramble to get back around to where we were. But I just...

I think it's so important that as we grow in life and as we work, we lift people up with us and we continue to grow ourselves. And then when we see these people that we're running with, you know, having success and doing the things they want to do, that we can be happy for them and cheer them on and truly be genuinely, authentically happy. That's been such a cool thing.

personally and that's something that Amy has always been really good at is cheering other people on and being happy for what they're doing and being willing to help and all of that stuff. I think her phone did die so we did lose her but I want to thank you guys for taking the time to listen with us today.

Remember what Amy says, if I can't, I must. And you guys, it's not too late to start doing what it is you wanna do. Start the new thing, go tie the goat, make it happen, you guys. And hope you enjoyed this episode. If you liked it, please share with your friends and leave a review. I am looking always, I'm open to hearing what you guys wanna hear on the podcast. So email me at tmranteramblin at gmail and...

I'd love to hear your input and look forward to talking with you next week. And until then you guys, don't cut your dallys on the dream.